Scientists: "Aliens might not have radio"



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A new theory has stargazers thinking maybe we haven't found signs of extra-terrestrial life yet because we're going about it the wrong way. Right now, a scientific project known as the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) is leading the way in the search for life beyond Earth.

Their method is to scan outer space for radio transmissions, new or old. They've been doing it for 50 years, and so far, it hasn't really worked out.Physicists interviewed in the Economist say that's not necessarily because there are no aliens. But maybe aliens just don't use radio technology, they propose,

Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona State University, pointed out thatradio-communications are likely to be a short-lived technology, even on Earth, where people are increasingly using fibre optics to communicate.Instead, Dick Carrigan, a retired particle physicist, suggested looking for other signs, like evidence of tampering with the energy output or pollution.The basic idea is to think outside the box and not focus on modern Earth technologies, which could easily become obsolete.Instead of looking for the earliest signs of industrialization, then, perhaps the thing to do is to let the imagination run riot and ask what technology might do to a solar system if it had tens or hundreds of thousands of years to work its magic,” reads the Economist article, Signs of Life.

Hubble's role in search for aliens

Hubble's role in search for aliens

Hubble Ultra Deep Field (Nasa)
Very distant galaxies have been spotted in the Hubble Ultra Deep Field

By Sir Martin Rees
Astronomer Royal
Source: BBC News, today.

The powerful vision of the Hubble Telescope - which turns 20 this week - has expanded our cosmic horizons and brought into sharper focus a new set of mysteries about the universe that is our home.

To those whose science is gleaned from the media, astronomy may seem to be on a roll. And it is.

We have established, in outline, a consensus picture of how, from a hot dense beginning nearly 14 billion years ago, our expanding universe developed galaxies, stars and planets.

We can set our entire solar system in a grand evolving scenario stretching back to a Big Bang - an era when everything was hotter than the centres of stars, and expanding on a timescale of a few seconds.

Hubble image (Nasa/Esa/STSCI
Iconic image of the "Butterfly Nebula", showing the end stages of a star

Only in the past 10 years have we learnt that large numbers of "worlds" exist in orbit around other stars.

Present techniques aren't sensitive enough to find an earth-like planet, but the ones so far detected - mostly as big as Jupiter or Saturn, the giants of our own solar system - may well be the largest members of other planetary systems as varied and interesting as ours.

If there is life on Mars, it is very primitive.

But could some newly discovered planets orbiting other stars harbour biospheres as complex as our Earth's, perhaps with intelligent life?

That question can now be seriously addressed.

There are on-going searches for transmissions that might be "artificial" in origin.

These efforts are privately funded: they have a hard time getting public funding because the topic is encumbered by "flaky" associations with UFOs, and so forth.

Despite the heavy odds against success, I certainly support these efforts, because of the philosophical import of any detection of a manifestly artificial signal.

Even if we couldn't make much sense of it, we'd have learnt that "intelligence" wasn't unique to the hardware inside human skulls, and had emerged elsewhere.

Peering back in time

But let's now enlarge our cosmic horizon further. Our galaxy, with its hundred billion stars, is similar to millions of others visible with large telescopes.

Andromeda, the nearest big galaxy to our own lies about two million light years away. Its constituent stars are orbiting in a disc, seen obliquely.

The nearest few thousand galaxies - those out to about 300 million light years - have been mapped out in detail.

As we probe deeper into space, towards our horizon, we probe further back in time (because the light now reaching us set out a long time ago): we see the universe as it was when it was younger and more close-packed.

And we can now see very far back.

Hubble's 3D map showing the cosmic "scaffold" of dark matter, upon which stars and galaxies are assembled

Among the iconic images from the Hubble Space Telescope are those that show a small patch of sky, less than a hundredth of the area covered by a full moon.

Viewed through a moderate-sized telescope, these patches would look completely blank.

But these ultra-sensitive long exposures reveal many hundreds of faint smudges of light - a billion times fainter than any star that can be seen with the unaided eye.

But each is an entire galaxy, thousands of light years across, which appears so small and faint because of its huge distance.

A huge span of time separates us from these remote galaxies.

They are being viewed when they have only recently formed: we are looking back more than 90% of the time to the Big Bang.

In the beginning...

These remote galaxies have not yet settled down into steadily-spinning "pinwheels" like Andromeda.

Some consist mainly of glowing diffuse gas that hasn't yet condensed into stars.

SOME KEY HUBBLE TELESCOPE DISCOVERIES TO DATE
Hubble Space Telescope
In what was a prime mission objective, Hubble fixed the Universe's age at about 13.7 billion years - later confirmed by other instruments
Hubble's ability to detect faint supernovae contributed to the discovery that the expansion rate of the Universe is accelerating
Hubble was one of two telescopes to make the first direct images of planets orbiting another star - historic images made public last November
Hubble provided the first direct measurements of the three-dimensional distribution of dark matter in space

When we look at Andromeda, we sometimes wonder if there may be other beings looking back at us.

Maybe there are.

But on these remote galaxies there surely aren't. Their stars haven't have had time to fuse pristine hydrogen into carbon, oxygen and silicon - the atoms needed for planets and life.

What about the far future? Six billion years from now, when the sun dies, the galaxies will be more widely dispersed, and will be intrinsically somewhat fainter because their stellar population will have aged, and less gas will survive to form bright new stars.

But what might happen still further ahead?

A very surprising discovery aided by the Hubble Telescope is that the galaxies are dispersing at a rate that is actually accelerating, under the influence of some mysterious force.

The best long-range forecast, therefore, is that the cosmos will continue to expand, becoming ever emptier, ever darker and ever colder.

We can't predict what role life will eventually carve out for itself: it could become extinct; on the other hand, it could achieve such dominance that it can influence the entire cosmos.

The latter is the province of science fiction, but it can't be dismissed as absurd.

After all, it's taken little more than one billion years for natural selection to lead from the first multi-cellular organisms to Earth's present biosphere (including us).

And what about the very beginning?

The first tiny fraction of a second of cosmic history is still shrouded in mystery, because the conditions then - the densities, temperatures, and so forth - would have been far beyond those we can simulate in the lab.

Here we enter a realm where theorists can only speculate.

One of my favourite magazine covers showed a red circle, beneath the caption "the universe when it was a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second old -- actual size".

According to a popular theory, our universe "inflated" from a hyper-dense blob no bigger than that, under the influence of a cosmic repulsion 120 powers of ten fiercer than the force that drives the galaxies ever-further apart today.

In the past two decades, the Hubble Telescope (and its counterparts on the ground) have hugely expanded our cosmic horizons - but, as always in science, this progress brings into sharper focus a new set of mysteries which will challenge the next generation of astronomers and fascinate all who wonder about the universe that is our home.

Sir Martin Rees is astronomer royal, master of Trinity College, Cambridge, and president of the Royal Society

Nearby galaxy emitting radio waves

Source: Zeenews
Image: Harvard

New York: An unknown object in the nearby galaxy -- M82 -- is sending out radio waves, an incident which has never happened in the universe before.

Researchers at the Jodrell Bank Centre for Astrophysics near Macclesfield in UK, who have traced the radio waves said that”they don't know what it is".

The team, which presented the discovery at the Royal Astronomical Society National Astronomy Meeting in Glasgow today, said the thing appeared in May last year while they were monitoring an unrelated stellar explosion in M82.

"A bright spot of radio emission emerged over only a few days, quite rapidly in astronomical terms. Since then it has done very little except baffle astrophysicists," lead researcher Tom Muxlow was quoted as saying by New Scientist.

"It certainly does not fit the pattern of radio emissions from supernovae: they usually get brighter over a few weeks and then fade away over months, with the spectrum of the radiation changing all the while".

They added, the new source has hardly changed in brightness over the course of a year, and its spectrum is steady.

Yet it does seem to be moving and fast: its apparent sideways velocity is four times the speed of light. Such apparent "superluminal" motion has been seen before in high-speed jets of material squirted out by some black holes.

The stuff in these jets is moving towards us at a slight angle and travelling at a fair fraction of the speed of light, and the effects of relativity produce a kind of optical illusion that makes the motion appear superluminal.

Could the object be a black hole? It is not quite in the middle of M82, where astronomers would expect to find the kind of supermassive central black hole that most other galaxies have. Which leaves the possibility that it could be a smaller-scale "microquasar".

A microquasar is formed after a very massive star explodes, leaving behind a black hole around 10 to 20 times the mass of the sun, which then starts feeding on gas from a surviving companion star. Microquasars do emit radio waves but none seen in our galaxy is as bright as the new source in M82.

Microquasars also produce plenty of X-rays, whereas no X-rays have been seen from the mystery object. "So that's not right either", said the researchers who used the MERLIN network of radio telescopes in the UK for the discovery.

His best guess is still that the radio source is some kind of dense object "accreting surrounding material", perhaps a large black hole or a black hole in an unusual environment.

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The Day Before Disclosure

Official teaser, thanks Alfred Webre.
This is the official teaser for the documentary The Day Before Disclosure by New Paradigm Films. The feature film will shed new light on the UFO phenomena and the ET presence and premieres in May 2010. See www.newparadigm.no for further information.

Bosnian Pyramids of the Sun and Moon larger than Egypt's Pyramids


Near the city of Visoko, 30km north of capital Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina, scientist have discovered the First European pyramids. Numerous layers of evidence and recent international verification have proven that the mound Visocica represents an ancient colossal structure with a readily recognizable pyramid shape. Dr. Prof. Nabil M. A. Swelim stated after his recent visit: The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun is the largest pyramid ever witnessed, it is an amazing structure of great importance for the entire world. Visoko valley contains total of five pyramidal structures. They all have readily recognizable pyramid shape, because of: * visually symmetric geometry * precise orientation in all four cardinal directions * geo-sedimentary composition of evidence from the ground * analysis of satellite images * analysis of satellite thermal images which suggests the characteristics of artificial construction * complex of underground tunnels: Ravne-Visocica-Plješevica-Krstac * peculiar fluvial/erosive geomorphology observed on the Visocica hill * characteristic resonance of Visocica under shelling during the last war * symmetric terraces on a high-resolution geodesic elevation map

2012 - The Truth

UFO picks up Laconia, NH car and drops 180 feet away

by Roger Marsh

PHOTO: Windshield cracked and air bag deployed. MUFON image.

Two New Hampshire teenagers sitting in a parked car were approached by a black-colored UFO in Laconia on March 20, 2010, lifted into the air and then dropped back onto pavement 180 feet away, according to testimony from the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) database.

MUFON New England State Director Steve Firmani confirmed his investigation of the case today by telephone and said witness interviews had been completed.

The 18-year-old girl and 16-year-old boy both offer testimony about their encounter.

The two used the girl’s mother’s car and went to a Laconia destination that has not been released.

“We were just sitting there and I looked up at the moon,” the female witness stated. “I saw this weird black-shaped object. And then, I said to my boyfriend, ‘What was that?’”

Both accounts describe the same events. They saw an object coming toward them from the sky and began to panic. When they attempted to drive away, the car they were operating was lifted up off the ground. Both describe an odd smell during the incident.

When the car hit the pavement 180 feet away, the windshield cracked and the air bags deployed.

Photo: Asphalt impact area. MUFON image.

Firmani said there was no damage to the body of the car, but that there was about $5,000 damage to the underside of the car.

The male witness descibed the UFO.

“I don’t know how to explain this but it turns into a ball when it wants to slow down and move around quickly and when it wants to go fast, straight, it turns into a flat plate with maze box-shaped lined lights. These were on all the time.”

He describes attempting to drive away.

“The front end got picked up and the car could not move. We steered left and right but the car just kept on going up into the air.”

When the car hit the ground, they drove quickly away to the girl’s home where her mother called the police.

Firmani said there were three-inch divets in the curbing at the impact point where the car hit the ground. He said further study would be made to the under carriage body parts, which MUFON has retained from the body shop.

Laconia is a city in Belknap County, New Hampshire, population 16,411,

This case was originally reported to Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center. Davenport referred the case to Firmani. The following is the witness testimony from this case.

NH, March 20, 2010 – 2 Witness Accounts (Credit: Peter Davenport – NUFORC). MUFON Case # 22880.

“My name is E and I’m eighteen years old. I live in Laconia. Last Saturday night, my boyfriend D came up to see me and we went out. When we got to (edited), in Laconia, we parked in the back in the separate parking lot. We turned off the car and it was totally silent.

Photo: Asphalt impact area and tire marks in the grass. MUFON image.

We were just sitting there and I looked up at the moon. I saw this weird black-shaped object. And then, I said to my boyfriend, “What was that?”

He looked up at it and he said, ”If it gets any closer, we need to leave.”

I kept staring at the moon to see if it was just a plane or something. It moved back across the moon. It was huge and it looked like it was zig-zagging or changing shape. I couldn’t tell.

He said, “I think it’s coming closer.” It flew so fast over the trees getting closer to where we were. It felt like it was zeroing in on us. It blocked the moon. And then, we started panicking and driving away.

I thought were were going to hit the Bingo building. We turned left but it felt like we went off of a jump – you know that feeling? like we were on a rollercoaster? And we were in the air. I was trying to pay attention to everything that was going on but it felt like I couldn’t. When I looked up, everything was black. The smell was not nice but it was like something you could stand. It was an odor I’ve never smelled before. I heard absolutely nothing – it was silent. I felt immobilized like I had no control over what I was doing or over my body. I could see nothing. It was like opening your eyes in a pitch black room.

I felt really nervous and scared. I don’t remember crying or screaming. I held on to the center console because I felt like I was lifted. I was holding on so tight that my thumbprint is imprinted on the center console.

And then, when I finally realized what was happening, I was so close to the windshield that my body was going forward with my arms behind me. Everything was black. I heard a loud noise like a horn. Once. And then, the car just dropped.

I hit my eye on the dashboard and the airbags came out. I couldn’t believe what had just happened. I held my face and I looked over at my boyfriend. I saw that his left arm had blood. I said, “Are you OK?” I looked at the windshield and it was cracked, totally, but only on the passenger side.

I could see D but I couldn’t see anything outside. The only thing that made the car drop was the sound of the loud horn. When the car dropped, there was a loud boom. After that, we just drove so fast out of there. The smell went away after we drove away. And I started crying. And I said, “What the h—l just happened?” My boyfriend said, “I don’t know, I don’t know.” I didn’t feel like they were following us.

When we got home, my Mom said that she could hear me from the outside while I was freaking out. I couldn’t stop crying. My Mom said, “Calm down and tell me what happened.” I said, “You’re never going to believe me.” “Is it my car?” she asked.

And I said, “Let me explain,” because I felt that if I didn’t explain it fast enough, it was just going to go away from my mind.

At about 12:15 am, a cop arrived. I told him what had happened while I was sitting down at the dinner table. My boyfriend was sitting next to me – it was then that I noticed that there was no more blood on his arm or his clothing. The cop didn’t believe me at first until he finished looking at the car. He told my Mom that there was no reason for the air bags to come out because nothing else on the car was damaged. He didn’t check underneath the car but we found out later that the underside was totaled. The cop said that he was going to the place where we had been.

I just felt thankful that we’d gotten out of there. But I couldn’t stop crying for more than 2 hours afterwards. My Mom said, “You should go take a shower and get the airbag dust off of you.” But I didn’t want to be alone at all. I felt lucky. And there were no scratches or anything anywhere on my body.

The first night, my dream was that I was a little girl, maybe 6 or 7 years old, in an Elementary School classroom. I was looking at myself as a little girl. And then it was like the teacher called me up and I couldn’t talk or say anything – but everybody else seemed to say something for me. Like everything I wanted to say, everybody else was saying it except for me. They were saying exactly what I wanted say. I have never had a dream like this before – where I am a little girl and see anything about the past. I did not feel right at all.

I am better now. I still worry about seeing this thing again and I pay attention to the sky at night. I really don’t go out at night, anymore, because I’m scared. “

2nd Witness Account:

My name is D. I am sixteen years old and I live in New Hampshire. Last Saturday night I went out with my girlfriend, who lives in Laconia, when we had the following experience:

I was with her around 11. We wanted to take her Mom’s car because it was nicer and we wanted to go look at the stars. We went to (edited) at the back parking lot in Laconia. There were 8 cars already there when we arrived. Little by little, the cars started leaving one by one. We were the last car in the parking lot. Then the lights of the parking lot and the lights of the houses around us and the lights of the houses down the street started to go out one by one.

Then my girlfriend noticed something blocking the moon and asked, “What was that?” I knew it wasn’t a cloud because it moved back against the wind and blocked the moon again. I don’t know how to explain this but it turns into a ball when it wants to slow down and move around quickly and when it wants to go fast, straight, it turns into a flat plate with maze box-shaped lined lights. These were on all the time.

The colors were dim yellowish white and did not change. I cannot tell whether these were part of the bottom or not. It flipped a lot. I did not know which side was right or up on it. It was doing this over the trees across the street from the parking lot. It suddenly crossed the street towards our car. Its size was as big as 14 houses. It was really quiet. That’s when we had to leave. But I did not have time to turn on the headlights.

We put the clutch in to start the car and jammed it into 1st and floored it. The front end got picked up and the car could not move. We steered left and right but the car just kept on going up into the air. My girlfriend was scared and she had boogers coming out of her nose while I was cursing. The car was going up and the back wheels were off of the ground. Then I looked out of my window and saw that the parking lot park lines started getting smaller. Both our windows were down this whole time. The front windshield started to crack and shake and the cracks spread from the passenger side to the driver’s side. It popped outwards like it was pulled out.

Something yanked my wrist. Not aggressively. And the whole time in my head something was telling me “Don’t panic,” or “Don’t be scared.” And it wasn’t in English in my head but I got the meaning. It wasn’t a language – I don’t know how to explain it. And on my girlfriend’s side, it had her half-way out of the window. Her butt was off of her seat, maybe one-and-a-half or two feet? and the car was pointed almost completely straight up at the stars – yet I saw no stars.

Every time I tried looking at it, in front, a white film went over my eyes. It was kind of like staring at the sun with your eyelids closed. I could not hear her screaming but I know that she was screaming. My ears felt like they kept on popping from the altitude. I couldn’t hear. The smell was like unbearable, like you want to close your nose. It was spicy, like pepper-sprayish, and clean at the same time – it was a smell that you could stand but you would close your nostrils because it still smells bad.

When I tried to fight and get my wrist back in the car, that’s when the grip got stronger. It was pulling my left arm up out of the window – there was no pain but it was strong – …. I was trying to fight off the grip on my wrist. My tongue was numb. The horn beeped by accident and the grip got a little loose. It beeped again in the struggle and my arm flopped down in the car. My girlfriend also fell back in her seat and we realized we were still up in the air. !

It took 2 seconds for the car to drop. When we dropped, the air bags came out. We floored it as fast as we could through the town. It was almost a straightaway to go to my girlfriend’s house with very few turns to take. During this time, both of us couldn’t stop crying. We arrived at her house and her Mom asked, “What happened?” All this took place from 11pm to 12:30 am. It seemed like we were in the air for 10 minutes and it felt like it was forever. Her Mom called the police, and a policeman came.

The policeman did not believe us when we first told him what had happened until he looked at the vehicle. There were no scratches or dents or anything. He said that there was no reason for this to have happened to the car when there are no dents or scratches and no reason for the windshield to shatter and pop out the way it did. He had no explanation for why the windshield popped outwards. Also, when I went to open my cell phone in front of the policemen, I got shocked by it.

On Monday, I went to my doctor to get a whole physical to make sure I was OK. My wrist had a puncture wound while my forearm has a cut that is semi-circular and there’s blood on it. I do remember that when I first looked at my arm after I got it back in the car, it was red with blood. But by the time we got to my girlfriend’s house, there was no blood anywhere. On the center consul of the car, there is an imprint of her hand. I don’t quite understand what the policeman said but it was something about the skin of her hand leaving an impression.

Now, I don’t like to feel bumps in the car, or feel anything that trembles like a boombox. I don’t want to be out in dark areas at night. I also don’t like to walk out to my Mom’s car, anymore, outside. “

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ICELAND VOLCANO WEBCAM HERE


Below is the link to one of the webcams available. Thousands of people are watching and seeing orbs, V-shape objects, lights that move in all directions ( check the forum below).

I have captured this printscreen myself, you can see a white (silver?) V shape object.

If you manage to capture something yourself please email to 22050hz (at) gmail.com and I'll post it here, and give you proper credit for the image, as usual.

Feel free to re-post this image, as well.


Links to the webcams (due to high volume of clicks the link might not work at times, keep trying)



NEW WEBCAM

NEW: WEBCAMS MAP



Iceland Volcano: UFOS on webcam, seen by thousands!!








This was captured by user "Reinaul" on DiscloseTV Forum, where everyone watched TOGETHER these lights hover around the volcano via webcam!!!

Source here :

MORE UFOS ON ICELAND VOLCANO!!!

These are for sure NOT helicopters or birds. Care to comment?
Dozens, possible hundreds of people have watched this live via webcam broadcast on this website:
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/

Iceland Volcano shows V-Shape UFO Formation 18/04/10

The Loladoff Plate

UPDATE: The Lolladoff Plate and Dropa Stones



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This plate called 'The Lolladoff plate' is a 12,000 year old stone dish found in Nepal. It clearly shows a disk shaped UFO (top of pic, hard to see from the angle of the plate however). There is also a figure on the disc looking remarkably similar to a Grey alien. Notice the spiral galaxy shape as well, with the alien inside it and the ufo at the beginning of it.


Galaxies come in spiral shapes and throughout India, Egypt and Peru and other ancient sites the spiral shape is very often seen. This galaxy spiral is probably there to tell us that they flew here from another galaxy, buy more probably the spiral was their symbol signifying their knowledge of the universe, as the spiral is the most widely recognizable shape in the universe and in it's creation. The spiral shape also signifies energy.



The spiral is a geometric shape found in many places throughout nature, in many ancient cultures it is portrayed and given great meaning. Two of the most popular spiral shapes however not always circular or curved in shape are the Fibonacci spiral and Golden spiral. The spiral is also well represented through sacred geometry. The spiral holds many mysteries, and its shape is universal, its constant depiction in ancient texts, pictures, and symbology is obviously of great importance.



In 1947 the Dr. Robin-Evans made for the "mysterious land of the Dzopa", travelling through Lhasa (Tibet) where he was granted an audience with the 14th Dalai Lama. On the way to the very inaccessible region to the northeast of the Himalaya, the english scientist was abandoned by his tibetian carriers - they were terribly afraid of Baian-Kara-Ula - and only with tremendous effort did he manage to reach his destination.

After having won the faith of the locals, Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans was assigned a language-teacher in order to introduce him to the basics of the Dzopa-language and so he learned from Lurgan-La, religious guardian of the Dzopa, the history of the Dzopa. Lurgan-La pointed out that they (Dzopa) originally came from a planet in the Sirius-system. There had been - about 20.000 years ago and again in the year 1014 - two exploration missions to earth. In 1014 the crash took place that lead to the accidents survivors being unable to leave earth again.

Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans died in 1974. The above report was released in 1978.

• The Dzopa are often referred to as the Dropa. This is due to the fact that the sound of the second consonant is in between a ’Z’ and an ’R’.

• As Tibet wasn’t under the rule of China in 1947, Dr. Robin-Evans trip could easily be arranged.

• It is well possible that Dr. Robin-Evans was received by a "lineholder" instead of the Dalai Lama directly, a fact which could be used to verify the correctness of Dr. Robin-Evans’ report.

• Dr. Robin-Evans’ report dates the crash to the year 1014, all other sources however talk of a crash 12.000 years ago. This discrepancy remains unexplained so far.

• According to Lurgan-La’s history the Dzopa would appear to be direct descendants of space travelling "aliens"





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This picture was taken in 1947 by Dr Karyl Robin-Evans. It shows the Dropa leaders Hueypah-la, who stands 4′ tall and Veez-la, who was 3′6″ tall.

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1947: Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans’ expeditionLolladoff claims to have bought the disk inMussorie (Northern India) and that it is supposed to be from a mysterious people called the “Dzopa” who had used it for religious rituals.The Lolladoff plate‘ is a 12,000 year old stone dish found in Nepal.

It clearly shows a disk shaped UFO (top of pic, hard to see from the angle of the plate however).There is also a figure on the disc looking remarkably similar to a Notice the spiral galaxy shape as well, with the alien inside it and the ufo at the beginning of it.

Galaxies come in spiral shapes and throughout India,

Egypt and Peru and other ancient sites the spiral shape is very often seen.

This galaxy spiral is probably there to tell us that they flew here from another galaxy,

buy more probably the spiral was their symbol signifying their knowledge of the universe,

as the spiral is the most widely recognizable shape in the universe and in it’s creation.

The spiral shape also signifies energy.

The spiral is a geometric shape found in many places throughout nature,

in many ancient cultures it is portrayed and given great meaning.

Two of the most popular spiral shapes however not always circular or curved in shape

are the Fibonacci spiral and Golden spiral.

The spiral is also well represented through sacred geometry.

The spiral holds many mysteries, and its shape is universal,

its constant depiction in ancient texts, pictures, and symbology is obviously of great importance.

In 1947 the Dr. Robin-Evans made for the “mysterious land of the Dzopa“, travelling through Lhasa (Tibet) where he was granted an audience with the 14th Dalai Lama.

On the way to the very inaccessible region to the northeast of the Himalaya, the English scientist was abandoned by his Tibetan carriers – they were terribly afraid of Baian-Kara-Ula – and only with tremendous effort did he manage to reach his destination.

After having won the faith of the locals, Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans was assigned a language-teacher in order to introduce him to the basics of theDzopa-language and so he learned from Lurgan-La, religious guardian of the Dzopa, the history of the Dzopa.

Lurgan-La pointed out that they (Dzopa) originally came from a planet in the Sirius-system. There had been – about 20.000 years ago and again in the year 1014 – two exploration missions to earth. In 1014 the crash took place that lead to the accidents survivors being unable to leave earth again.

Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans died in 1974. The above report was released in 1978.

· The Dzopa are often referred to as theDropa. This is due to the fact that the sound of the second consonant is in between a ’Z’ and an ’R’.

· As Tibet wasn’t under the rule of China in 1947, Dr. Robin-Evans trip could easily be arranged.

· It is well possible that Dr. Robin-Evans was received by a “lineholder” instead of the Dalai Lama directly, a fact which could be used to verify the correctness of Dr. Robin-Evans’ report.

· Dr. Robin-Evans’ report dates the crash tothe year 1014, all other sources however talk of a crash 12.000 years ago. This discrepancy remains unexplained so far.

· According to Lurgan-La’s history the Dzopawould appear to be direct descendants of space travelling “aliens”

1968: W. Saitsew & Prof. Tsum Um Nui

In 1968 the Russian scientist W. Saitsewpublished a sensational paper which raised a lot of interest in the subject of extraterrestrials visiting earth in the past. Some of the information presented in his paper were based on the work which Prof. Tsum Um Nui did in 1962.


1962: Prof. Tsum Um Nui

In the borderland between Tibet and China there is the cave region of the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains. 25 years ago, remarkable finds of tablets with writing and hieroglyphics were made there. Several thousand years ago a people whose looks chinese archeologists are only vaguely familiar with, had been cutting phonograph record like stonedisks out of the hardest granite with a set of completely unkown tools.

The 716 stonedisks found so far also have a hole in their center just as phonograph records do. From there, spiraling out towards the rim, are double-grooves. These grooves of course are not like sound-tracks but rather the most peculiar writing-system which has ever been found in China and possibly even the world.

It took archeologists and scientists over two decades to decipher it. The contents are so fantastic that the academy of pre-history in Beijing didn’t want to publish the report of the scientist Prof. Tsum Um Nui at first.

Backed by four colleagues, archeologist Tsum Um Nui stated:

“the groove-writing tells of aerial vehicles which, according to the stonedisks, existed 12.000 years ago”.

In one place it says literally:

The Dropa came down from the clouds with theirairgliders. Ten times the men, women and children of the Kham hid in the caves until sunrise. Then they understood the signs and saw that the Dropa came in peace this time.”

Finds of the Dropa and Kham races have been made earlier already in these mountain caves. Archeologists were and still are unable to ethnologically assign these only up to 4 ft. 4 in. tall humans. There are no similarities with theChinese, Mongols or Ribetans. One could of course suggest that a few thousand years ago aKham literate was playing a joke, or that it was mere superstition when he was talking about aircrafts.

But then, what does one do about the statement, all sensations excluded, reported in other groove-hieroglyphics of a great mourning about the own airfleet’s destruction during landing in the very inaccessible mountains and the lack of means to rebuild it.

The hieroglyphics of Baian-Kara-Ula appear to be so mysterious to the Chinese archeology that only very careful scientific use has been made of them. On one occasion a sensational discovery had been made. The disks contain a lot of cobalt and other metals.

When testing a disk with an oscillograph a surprising oscillation rhythm was discovered, just as if the disks with their groove-writing had once been charged or had functioned as electrical conductors. Nobody can tell what’s behind these12.000 year old stonedisks.

Assumptions would be too risky and not objective enough. But one is reminded of the ancient chinese tale of the small and slender yellow people who came from the clouds and were shunned by everyone due to their ugliness – large, wide heads and very slender bodies – and hunted by the “men with the quick horses” (Mongols?).

In fact there had been finds of grave – and skeleton remains in the caves from 12.000 years ago and it’s also a fact that these finds, classified as remains of the Dropa and Kham race, carried the signs of a small body frame and very large heads.

The very first archeological reports tell of an extinct mountain gorilla species. But has anyone heard of ordered monkey-graves and writing- tablets? In 1940 the archeologist Chi Pu Tei was widely mocked at for making such a claim. But Chi Pu Tei defended himself by declaring that the stonedisks had been added to the caves by later cultures.

The above text is a translation of the original paper written by W. Saitsew and has not been altered in any way.

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The Dropa Stones

The story of one of the most mysterious archaeological finds of all time.

The story of the Dropa Stones, or more accurately the Dropa Discs begins in the summer of 1938, when a Chinese archaeological expedition begins mapping a series of interlocking caves in a part of the Himilayan Mountains called the Baian Kara Ula Mountains, between the border that divides China and Tibet. The expedition was being led by a Dr. Chi Pu Tei, when they stumbled across a remarkable find. In some of the strange caves Chi Pu Tei, a professor of archaeology at Beijing University, and his students were on an expedition to explore a series of caves in the pathless Himalayan mountains of the remote Bayan-Kara-Ula in Qinghai on the border of China and Tibet. The caves may have been artificially carved to be a system of tunnels and underground storerooms. The walls were squared and glazed, as if cut into the mountain with great heat. There were there neat lines of graves, and buried in these graves were the remains of a strange people. Averaging about 4 feet in height, they had long spindly limbs and round, large oversized heads. The researchers speculated that they were the remains of apes, but who ever heard of apes burying apes ? . More recently it has been suggested that these are the remains of aliens, grey type beings, as we shall see why. As well in other caves there were discovered cave drawings, pictograms of the heavens. The drawings have been carbon dated as being between 10 and 12 thousand years old (reportedly). Then a researcher stumbled across a strange, hand crafted stone disc. It was 9 inches in diameter (approximately), with a 3/4 inch perfectly round
hole in the center of the disc.

This disc was also found to have a “groove” spiraling outward from the center, tightly wound like a Fred Flintstone phonograph album. However, upon further inspection, the groove was found to be no groove at all, but rather a continuous line of written characters or hieroglyphics, unlike any ever seen before. The writing was almost microscopic. In all, 716 of these discs were recovered, ranging in size from several inches to several feet. Nevertheless, the discs and their undeciphered messages sat in the basement of Beijing University. At his point I would like to make two sidenotes. 1. There are unsubstantiated reports (at this time) that the chambers the skeletons, pictograms and discs were in were squared off and gave the appearance of having been created by intense heat melting them. The second one is I personally do not feel that the age of the drawings on the walls can confirm the age of the discs conclusively..

There may have been attempts to decipher the writing between the time they were discovered and 1962, when another Chinese scientist claimed to have unraveled the mystery of the inscriptions. Dr. Tsum Um Nui claimed to do just that, and if his findings are correct, the discs describe possibly our planets first encounters with an alien civilization. Yet the fact is, the stones may well be almost 12,000 years old, and many of the characters were either worn away or were hardly discernable. Yet Dr. Nui transcribed the characters to paper, and after much research, claimed to have decoded the messages. He said the story on the disc describe an alien spaceship crash landing in the mountains, and the occupants initially being met with fear by the tribe known as the Hams. They told the story of the crash-landing of the Dropa spaceship and the killing of most of the survivors by local people. He goes on to say that eventually the aliens made peace with the Hams. According to Tsum Um Nui, one of the lines of the hieroglyphs reads, “The Dropas came down from the clouds in their aircraft. Our men, women and children hid in the caves ten times before sunrise. When at last they understood the sign language of the Dropas, they realized that the newcomers had peaceful intentions . . . .” Another section expresses “regret” by the Ham that the aliens’ craft had crash-landed in such a remote and inaccessible mountain range and that there had been no way to building a new one to enable the Dropas to return to their own planet. Dr. Tsum’s report supposedly appeared in a professional journal in 1962. He was subsequently ridiculed to the point of self-imposed exile in Japan, where he died. The Peking Academy of Pre-history never allowed him to publish and never speak of his findings. Dr. Tsum’s report supposedly appeared in a professional journal in 1962. He was subsequently ridiculed to the point of self-imposed exile in Japan, where he died. The Peking Academy of Pre-history never allowed him to publish and never speak of his findings.

Interestingly enough, the isolated area today is inhabited by two tribes of people who call themselves the Ham and the Dropa. They have an average height of 4 feet 2 inches and weigh usually between 38 and 52 pounds. They are yellow skinned with thin bodies and disproportionately large heads. They have very little body hair and have blue irises, unlike most Asians. Make what of it you will, I however doubt that the inhabitants of that area would have been able to reproduce offspring if the original Dropa were indeed alien, which makes me wonder of where their true origins came from. There is also a report that a Russian scientist named W. Saitsew republished the findings of Dr. Nui in 1968. Physically, the stones contained cobalt and other metals, which makes one wonder how primitive people could have inscribed the minute hieroglyphics on such a hard substance.He also tested them

in an oscillograph that produced some more unusual findings. A surprising oscillation rhythm was recorded, as though the discs were once electrically charged or had functioned as electrical conductors. Whatever the true nature of the discs, wherever they came from, they represent a unique challenge to anthropology. If they are man made, how were primitives able to inscribe the discs with such small characters? And if they are indeed the product of extra terrestrials, how profound is that discovery to man kind? If the inhabitants are from under the surface of this planet, why were the “clues” left there? At the very least, the Dropa Stones remain for now one of the greatest mysteries of the unexplained.

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